QuoteReplyTopic: Law Enforcement Action out of Jurisdiction Posted: April 29 2008 at 3:15pm
i was talking about the law enforcement officer whos jurisdiction you stop the vehicle in. he/she can charge the driver for something else ie. disorderly conduct (public drunk).
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The problem is we are sent to Columbia for that extensive 9 week training program… (pause) , given a badge and gun, 8 weeks of FTO (if your lucky), take an Oath to protect and serve, and sent out to be police… then we are told well only police in your area, then we as trained professionals see crime occurring outside of our area and are told well its not your area so don’t act upon it, you can be a witness but don’t involve yourself in any other capacity… hell by then the crime as already been committed and El Douche is long gone… it’s a flaw in the system. Think back on how many times you have been putting around outside your area and seen a crime (traffic, simple misdemeanor, whatever) go on and you do the right thing and call it in and by time the cavalry arrives your stuck giving a description because El Douche is long gone…
I’ll say this one time I was in my POV riding around when I seen a guy who had three felony warrants with our agency pull into a residence near where I was at… I called it in to the local authorities… I gave all the prudent information, explaining who I was blah, blah, blah and you know what the stupid dispatcher said… “ well if you do not have the warrants on you at this time we can not serve them”???? WTF… anyway it’s a flaw in the system and as long as there are jurisdictional lines police officers will just have to be good witnesses to offenderless crimes…
"Some of our greatest catastrophes have been caused by people talking, and some by people not talking." - Stephen Hawking's"
I’ll say this one time I was in my POV riding around when I seen a guy who had three felony warrants with our agency pull into a residence near where I was at… I called it in to the local authorities… I gave all the prudent information, explaining who I was blah, blah, blah and you know what the stupid dispatcher said… “ well if you do not have the warrants on you at this time we can not serve them”???? WTF…
Guess that dispatcher forgot they have an NCIC terminal, eh? I've never heard of that excuse before...eish.
I think this structure is only detrimental to its citizens. Jurisdiction within states lines is really a bullsh*t matter. Why shouldnt you have police authority in the whole state? These streetbags know the actual jurisdictional lines and cross them all day long just to spite us. This state is completely ridiculous for restraining the abilities of police officers. Politics and Ego's that’s what it comes down to.
There’s no good reason that an officer within his own county has to turn a blind eye on a crime. Especially those officers who have to travel through surrounding cities to reach their own jurisdictions. Many states allow for full jurisdiction as long as you’re coming and going to your jurisdiction and it includes everything in between including highways and interstates. Example, Charleston City to and from their way to Daniel Island. Hanahan to and from Eagle Landing. A Hanahan officer is driving to his north zone (having to drive up rivers ave to access Eagle Landing and Otranto) and sees someone just about kill someone running a red light on Ashley phosphate and can do nothing while the people around him look at him like he’s a worthless cop not doing his job. It’s just stupid but like a lot of other laws in this state its just the way its going to be until we get some intelligence into our congress.
We all have state ticket books. How hard would it be to write someone in the surrounding area? Now im not saying to go out and actively pursue and look for crime but when faced with it you should have the right and responsibility to act upon it.Go ahead let that drunk keep on driving, just hope that he doesn’t plow into your child’s car on her way back home because you turned a blind eye.
I recieved inservice training last year in my state (WV) and the WV Prosecuting Attorney's Association told us that DUI is the only misdemeanor arrest we can make out of our jurisdiction as long as we are going to and from our jurisdiction. We were also told that we can make felony arrest committed in our presence, but were advised that sometimes it is better to be a good witness for safety reasons. Unless we have a mutual aid agreement with the agency we are backing up, we are not covered if we get in a bad situation and have to shoot someone or get hurt. I think that since we all receive the same training in this state we should be allowed to make arrest outside our jurisdiction. I know there are some who would go head hunting all over the state. I think the arrest should be on a need be basis. We all carry the same citations and use the same criminal complaint forms so there would be no problems there. Maybe I'm wrong, but I don't think so.
First of all, stop the car. But with that said, first, call the vehicle in to that jurisdiction. I will say that on my way home, I do have blinders on, but if it is a DUI that is driving quite poorly, I do not know of an officer in the Tri-County area that will not arrest said drunk. But they will expect you to come to court for them. Plus, even if the person is not found guilty, at least they did not get the chance to kill an innocent driver (or even an innocent officer). I will always wait for the appropriate agency to get on scene, unless the driver's actions warrant immediate action. If you are worried about liability, WRITE A REPORT FROM YOUR OWN AGENCY. Describe everything (include video if available). If the driver is drunk, then I do not see you getting in trouble. Even if he is not but is just an EXTREEMLEY bad driver, then I still do not see trouble coming to you.
I will say this, I would never, ever, ever think of stopping a vehicle if I am in my POV. I will follow and provide my testimony in court when the other agency gets there.
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I have experienced this over the past few years. The first time I followed the vehicle with my in-car camera activated and when the SCHP arrived and stopped her vehicle, I gave them the tape for evidence. The second time I was in my POV on I-77 and I just followed the vehicle (amazed it never wrecked) until the SCHP arrived and stopped her, then gave my contact information to the Trooper. Both cases never went to trial based on the 'credibility' of the witness (the tape, or me?). Another time we could not get a Trooper (I-20 in Darlington County) because one wasn't available; very frustrating. To make matters worse, my wonderful Nextel has so many dead spots on that highway that I could not keep the HP dispatch on the line. Best course of action is probably to be a reliable and credible witness.
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